Third octave.
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Third octave.
Does entry into the third octave mean that a person's embouchure is heading in the right direction?
If your intention was hitting 3rd octave.... perhaps it could indicate that. But that is not the only indication of a good embouchure.
Can you get tsu-no-meri down so it sounds the pitch of ro even though you finger tsu-no-meri?
Can you get chi-no-meri and u clear like crystal with no noise..... all these together are indications on your embouchure heading in the right direction. If it is only the 3rd octave, it could just show you that you are good at blowing hard..... depending on which 3rd octave notes you hit.
So both yes and no!
Hope it did help even though I am sure it also confused you.
Can you get tsu-no-meri down so it sounds the pitch of ro even though you finger tsu-no-meri?
Can you get chi-no-meri and u clear like crystal with no noise..... all these together are indications on your embouchure heading in the right direction. If it is only the 3rd octave, it could just show you that you are good at blowing hard..... depending on which 3rd octave notes you hit.
So both yes and no!
Hope it did help even though I am sure it also confused you.
Third octave is nothing to be proud of. You can be proud when you play in the third octave and dogs run away or whine miserably. 
I wasn't feeling proud. I just never played a steady third octave note before. I take your point Kiku. My purpose in posting this topic was to ask a simple question. Thank you for your answer. While pride didn't come into it I think the question is one a lot of beginners might ask, and while a person might admire Brian's ability to scare dogs I think For a professional member to come onto the Playpen and say that's nothing to be proud of is either an obscure joke or at best not very helpful.
"Brian Tairaku Ritchie""Brian Tairaku Ritchie"Third octave is nothing to be proud of. You can be proud when you play in the third octave and dogs run away or whine miserably.
Easier done with 1.2 then 3.2
"Brian Tairaku Ritchie""Brian Tairaku Ritchie"Third octave is nothing to be proud of.
A wise advice from a master. Very Zen like. Like Horst.
"Kiku Day""Kiku Day"If your intention was hitting 3rd octave.... perhaps it could indicate that. But that is not the only indication of a good embouchure.
Can you get tsu-no-meri down so it sounds the pitch of ro even though you finger tsu-no-meri?
Can you get chi-no-meri and u clear like crystal with no noise..... all these together are indications on your embouchure heading in the right direction. If it is only the 3rd octave, it could just show you that you are good at blowing hard..... depending on which 3rd octave notes you hit.
So both yes and no!
Hope it did help even though I am sure it also confused you.
I am confused because my fingering charts don't appear to list the notes you mention. Are they written another way?
"felix martens""felix martens"I wasn't feeling proud.
I was just kidding, but you still have to try to hurt dogs if you want to get really good at the third octave.
In the 3rd octave the fingerings may vary considerably from flute to flute. You'll have to find out what works for you on your specific flute.
"felix martens""felix martens"
I am confused because my fingering charts don't appear to list the notes you mention. Are they written another way?
The third octave notes are usually not called ro tsu re chi ha/ri but something totally different. But often shakuhachi players outside a school say for example "re no daikan" which means it is the pitch 2 octave above the re in otsu and 1 octave above the re in kan. That was yiou can talk about the same thing.
You have to look at the Western pitch in your fingering chart to see what the notes are called in the school you follow. Have fun with your daikan and bravo for getting daikan! It IS a great feeling and it is also right that there is a long way still.
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